Разумеется, любым гос-вом такое посягательство на его учреждения должно пресекаться самым реш. образом, мы же можем наблюдать невнятное мямленье про религиозную атрибутику, что является слабой позицией.
Сами носительницы хиджаба не угнетены им, а наоборот, угнетены внешним запретом на демонстрацию политической позиции (которая не их позиция, а позиция их патриархальной семьи в целом) и претендуют на освобождение в этом смысле (разумеется, реакционное содержание исламизма здесь не подвергается сомнению).
Требование освобождения, по внешнему виду выглядящее как закрепощение, является непривычным, парадоксальным, вводящим в заблуждение, т.е. очень эффективная находка исламизма. Не вполне понимают это явление и левые, в т.ч., как представляется, и марксисты.
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I am from a third world Asian Muslim country. Houses are expensive here but the quality is very good. Made with concrete, rooms are big, every bedroom has an attached bathroom/toilet and a wardrobe room. Hall is usually big too, with big size kitchen. A house usually has two floors, a ground floor and a first floor. Each floor has it's own kitchen, usually two kitchens on one floor. One is called a dirty kitchen and the other is a clean kitchen with a dining area. So, if there are four bedrooms on one floor it means there are four bathrooms/toilets and four wardrobe rooms, maybe a few extre storage rooms, balconies, hall, lobby, etc. Then we get to use the rooftop area too because the roofs are flat because of no snow, and these rooftops are usually very big. Are there such houses in Russia where there are bathrooms with each bedroom so that every person can get a separate bathroom? I would love to move to Russia and buy or build a house there. I truly believe Russia is the best country in the world and i love Russia a lot. But whenever i post on social media i start getting so many negative hate racist comments with a lot of abuses and curses, telling me to stay out and not to dare to come to Russia. So what should i do? Some people tell me if i come i should go only to Dagestan or Chechniya, but i don't want to be dictated where i can or cannot go and live. I have love and peace in my heart. I have hosted a lot of Russians in my home here and they all were comfortable and happy living with me.
Ваш рассказ невозможно воспринимать серьёзно, если вы только не дочь эмира. Но тогда зачем вам РФ? Это страна спартанского стиля жизни. Варварская роскошь, которую можно видеть в верхнем ценовом диапазоне - это для нуворишей, новых богатых. Но и они не поймут, зачем столько кухонь.
Приезжайте без хиджаба, тогда никто не скажет и слова - отторжение вызывают те, кто привозит с собой свои порядки.
А плоские крыши у ваших домов - не из-за отсутствия снега, а чтобы могли гулять женщины, которым запрещают выходить на улицу без сопровождения мужчин.
see, it starts, what i was talking about. Why do you allow hate and prejudice to rule over your psychology? And what i described above is not even luxury. Even if it is, why describe it with the word "barbaric"? That's a very extreme word, showing extremism in the mind. About hijab, well, until a few decades ago it was the culture and traditions in Russia too. Nuns also wear hijab. About women having to walk on the rooftops, no we don't give them time to walk they scrub clean wash whole day like slaves. If they go to rooftops the birds and neighbours can see them so they are not allowed to go there. But they get enough exercise by scrubbing cooking washing whole day. Yes now i understand, the reason for the two kitchens! I didnt think of that before!!! Does that make you happy?
A fabric on women's hair bothers you so much, why? Actually i know the reason why. This fabric bothers western men so much they are even ready to kick women in the stomach or beat them, sometimes even pregnant women, as can be seen in videos. This is the level and extreme of hate. Even for selling truck tyres western culture has to show a naked woman in the advertisement. Modesty of both men and women has been orderd by God, even in the Bible. Just a hundred years ago whole Europe used to do hijab.
And if you don't allow women to put a piece of fabric on their hair ofcourse you will not allow Muslims to pray too which is obligatory on them five times a day. Because you feel you have that power to control other people's lives.
Я не могу поверить, что это пишет реальный человек, а не ваххабитский провокатор. Это же арабская поговорка: "В стране слепых закрывай глаза; в стране хромых поджимай ногу." Следуйте ей, а не настаивайте на своем.
Вы же проявили интерес к моей стране, значит, слышали о прямолинейности русских. К вашему сведению, я был максимально корректен, ничего не "началось" ("it starts, what i was talking about").
Варварским я назвал вкус своих сограждан, недавно разбогатевших. Все они вышли из советского времени, т.е. из простых людей, "из грязи в князи". Постепенно этот вкус становится утонченным. Разумеется, я, как враг такого резкого имущественного расслоения, должен казаться вам экстремистом.
i'm confused. You mean to say that Russians are against rich people and big houses and call them barbaric? Although i am not rich, but i just wanted to know.
The reason i described the designs of houses where i live was to explain that when someone lives in such houses it becomes a habit. The conveniences become a habit. Ofcourse i understand that one must be able to adjust and change.
I am really surprised from where you are getting these revelations that i am wahabi and other things about me. You have something against wahabis? What else are you against, just so that i know.
By the way which of my sentence do you see as any kind of a provocation? I"m sorry if you and others did not like something i said. I just wanted to know if there are houses in Russia where each bedroom has it's own bathroom and toilet. That's all. I did not start all the other provocative speech about women not being allowed to walk in the streets or about hijab etc. I am sure you know too that all that is a lie and a provocative judgemental hate speech.
Вы сначала пожаловались, что на вас сыпятся угрозы, когда вы говорите о желании приехать в РФ. Я добродушно посоветовал не надевать хиджаб. Я предполагал, что вы ответите - да я и не ношу его. Я предполагал в вас светского человека с широкими взглядами.
Но в ответ я получил агрессивную отповедь на много строк о необходимости хиджаба - это характерно для фундаменталистов. Мой ответ вы приравняли к угрозам из своей первоначальной жалобы.
Я сослался на поговорку про страну хромых - вы ее проигнорировали. То есть вы настаиваете на демонстративном ношении атрибута, который у нас воспринимается как политический маркер ваххабизма. А РФ десятилетие вела войну с ним на Кавказе. (У нас умеренно религиозные женщины носят простой платок - косынку, которая на закрывает шеи.)
Разумный человек, я считаю, так себя не ведет. Это было бы нормально для сознательной провокации языка ненависти.
Я не называл богатых варварами, я называл варварским их первоначальный вкус, который теперь становится лучше. И давайте на будем делать вид, что мы свалились с Луны и не знаем, что произошло в России в 20-м веке. Да, русские теперь не против богатых, но относятся с подозрением. А неумеренную роскошь осуждают все религии. Особенно это предписано монахам, которые и носят подобие хиджаба.
i did not say i am in favor or against hijab. I just said it's surprising how and why a piece of fabric on a woman's hair can provoke and trigger men so much. After all, it is just a piece of cloth. But now you give more description, about neck too. So according to you, this thing that is so important for life that there is so much emphasis on it, can you describe the length, width, how much hair to be covered, neck should be open, after all why a woman's body revolves around everything?
You do not call rich Russians barbarians but their taste is barbaric? I don't understand. By the way, i repeat again, i am not rich.
Now you are putting all blames on me and justifying hate speech towards me but if you read my original comment and your reply to it any reasonable person would see that i did not talk about hijab and women's rights and many more thigns that you started out of nowhere except from prejidute, intolerance and hate. But you cnnot accept it and throw all the blames on me. In my original message i had expressed love for Russia and Russians and had also mentioned that i have hosted many Russians in my home who were happy and comfortble living with me but you started all this provocative speech.
Ну так скажите - " in favor or against". Вы только кричите о провокации, снова и снова подтверждая, что этот кусок ткани так важен для вас.
Когда европейки приезжают в Иран, то обязаны носить платок. Будет естественно, если в Европе вы не будете носить хотя бы его экстремистскую версию.
Some Europeans who went to Iran told me they were not wearing it and nothing happened to them. They were well respected. I am not saying i am in favor of it or against it because i am confused and very surprised why a fabric on a woman's hair is so provocative to you, as you yourself admitted it several times. And now you mention that you have to see a woman's neck too. How am i being provocative? I am just saying it's confusing why a woman's body, her clothes, a piece of fabric on her hair is the center of daily life that it means so much. Are you deliberately taking wrong meaning to everything that i say? But why? What is the point?
я возвращаю вас к поговорке о стране хромых. Вы собираетесь уважать эту старую мудрость?
so for me to not provoke you i must have to make a statement that i am against hijab? Is there any law against it? I do not judge people on such things. I am a very tolerant person and love and respect people. I do not have narcissism in me desiring to control and dictate people and behave like a lord over them telling them what to do and what not to do. If something goes against the national interest of Russia ofcourse i speak against it. I have been defending Russia and it's actions on many forums many times.
You come back each time to a piece of fabric on a woman's hair. There are many videos from Europe of women being beaten and kicked by men, sometimes in the stomach, sometimes even pregnant women, just because of wearing a fabric on the head, as has been commanded in the Bible too. I respect women who do not wear hijab but i would never disrespect any woman who wears a hijab or does not wear a hijab. I never judge anyone negatively, unless something is being said against Russia. Even then, i will not use abusive language or hate speech. I will defend the country and it's actions logically, as i have done so on many occasions.
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И так сказка про белого бычка. Скользкий демагог не отступил ни на шаг, только имитируя дискуссию, заранее отметая все аргументы. Его позиция железобетонная: я буду устанавливать порядки, а вы не смейте провоцироваться от этого.